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Old 21st October 2010, 06:35 PM   #1
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[ADVANCED] Intermediate to advanced Spy techniques

My guide has gotten so huge it cannot fit in my original posts, so I've posted it in the Steam forums so I could expand and reach a larger audience, but don't worry, because this guide is and always will be made for you guys at NZF and the NZ TF2 community. Click the link below.

Virus.'s intermediate-advanced Spy guide

Please post to keep it bumped.

I will post the (new) contents page here also, so people can get an idea of what this contains.

CONTENTS

INTRODUCTION

SETTINGS


-Console
-Advanced Options
-Scripts


ALERTNESS LEVELS

-Levels
-Manipulation


LOADOUT

-Knife
-Watch
-Pistol
-Disguise kit


CLASSES AND TARGET SELECTION


-Priorities
-Target classes


STAGES

-Moving while undetected
-Uncloak
-Reaching your target
-The stab
-After the stab
-Moving when detected
-Team tactics


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Old 21st October 2010, 06:36 PM   #2
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Removed.

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Old 21st October 2010, 07:36 PM   #3
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In short, Knife + back = win?
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Old 21st October 2010, 07:37 PM   #4
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Old 21st October 2010, 08:00 PM   #5
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tl;dr
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Old 21st October 2010, 08:08 PM   #6
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spy is difficult, shush
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Old 21st October 2010, 09:43 PM   #7
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tl;dr, but what I read was pretty good.
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Old 21st October 2010, 10:21 PM   #8
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I can understand if you are not reading it for it's length. This guide is for people that really want to advance their Spy skills, like I had and do.

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Old 21st October 2010, 11:03 PM   #9
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Pubs are hard.
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Old 21st October 2010, 11:16 PM   #10
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Looks like a decent guide Virus, best of luck with it. Too long for me
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Old 21st October 2010, 11:24 PM   #11
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Sigh, should I make a tl;dr version for your limited attention spans?

Wait, I think someone already did that...

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Old 21st October 2010, 11:54 PM   #12
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Its not so much tl;dr, its that its MASSIVE LONG BORING WALL OF TEXT. I ended up reading around half of it, and I can't really find anything to argue with. It really needs more to break it up, pictures or vids (as you ask for) would be great. Even just more enlarged/bolded/underlined headings would help, or colors! Colors are pretty!

Only thing I can add (and i'm not sure if its in there somewhere) is that one of the first steps to becoming a decent spy is that you have to realize that you are going to die. You can't stalk around being careful because you won't end up doing anything at all. Spy runs headlong into stupid situations where if he is found he is fucked, and he murders everyone. And sometimes he gets blown up or fried, but hey, it happens.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 01:53 AM   #13
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virus here is a video for your enjoyment



also i would recommend the revolver over the ambassador definitely, unless you can reliably get headshots the revolver is a much better choice imo
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Old 22nd October 2010, 08:45 AM   #14
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good writeup, didnt see nothing about camping enemy L3 teleporter exits though... one of the most poignant perverse pleasures of the Spy world...
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Old 22nd October 2010, 12:33 PM   #15
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My little brother once got scared of me because he beat my backstab record. He got 19, all but a few from camping a teleporter. And that was well before you could upgrade them.

I wasn't upset as much as really really confused. How the hell did no-one stop him for that long? Was more disappointed that I didnt get to play with such morons.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 01:14 PM   #16
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depends on the distance between entry/exit, but I've gotten around that many... most of the time they dont have time to turn around before i backstab they shit... the only times I've been stopped is when the engie runs all the way to the exit from respawn to clobber me...
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Old 22nd October 2010, 01:24 PM   #17
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Only thing I can add (and i'm not sure if its in there somewhere) is that one of the first steps to becoming a decent spy is that you have to realize that you are going to die. You can't stalk around being careful because you won't end up doing anything at all. Spy runs headlong into stupid situations where if he is found he is fucked, and he murders everyone. And sometimes he gets blown up or fried, but hey, it happens.
Thanks, but it was already there:

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Before I start, remember, if you are going to be a real team helping Spy, you WILL die plenty (hopefully for a large gain). That doesn't mean throw your life away for a kill, but we'll get to that later.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 02:33 PM   #18
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depends on the distance between entry/exit, but I've gotten around that many... most of the time they dont have time to turn around before i backstab they shit... the only times I've been stopped is when the engie runs all the way to the exit from respawn to clobber me...
The ENGY stopped you? Where are these people? I want to stab them!

It should take ONE stab to stop you. Maybe another 1 or 2 through the tele before people realize, but it should not be the engy who stops you. It should be the first person stabbed who warns the team that the tele is a no-go, and comes to kill you.

Then again, last few times I've played spy I havent bothered to do half the good stuff Virus outlines here (not that I do all of it anyway) simply because you just don't need to in most pub games. Sometimes it actually ruins the fun of stabbing people because it makes me despair that they're all so stupid, or at least oblivious. Get a few people from here and its more interesting.

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Before I start, remember, if you are going to be a real team helping Spy, you WILL die plenty (hopefully for a large gain). That doesn't mean throw your life away for a kill, but we'll get to that later.
Ah yes, good. But still, elaborate a bit more maybe? I was also thinking more towards the learning process rather than once they're already good; the best way to learn is not to be careful and try to wait for that perfect stab/s, but to go for everything and learn what doesnt work, and how to survive in bad situations. I mean so often the class does seem like throwing your life away for a kill; trick is to know how to not die.

edit - actually I think i might be sounding a little too suicidal there. But I do think you've got to die to learn how to not die.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 02:42 PM   #19
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good to see people making the effort to help people get better
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Old 22nd October 2010, 03:44 PM   #20
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The ENGY stopped you? Where are these people? I want to stab them!

It should take ONE stab to stop you. Maybe another 1 or 2 through the tele before people realize, but it should not be the engy who stops you. It should be the first person stabbed who warns the team that the tele is a no-go, and comes to kill you.

Then again, last few times I've played spy I havent bothered to do half the good stuff Virus outlines here (not that I do all of it anyway) simply because you just don't need to in most pub games. Sometimes it actually ruins the fun of stabbing people because it makes me despair that they're all so stupid, or at least oblivious. Get a few people from here and its more interesting.



Ah yes, good. But still, elaborate a bit more maybe? I was also thinking more towards the learning process rather than once they're already good; the best way to learn is not to be careful and try to wait for that perfect stab/s, but to go for everything and learn what doesnt work, and how to survive in bad situations. I mean so often the class does seem like throwing your life away for a kill; trick is to know how to not die.

edit - actually I think i might be sounding a little too suicidal there. But I do think you've got to die to learn how to not die.
Hmmm. Ok, you have a good point, I'll add a bit on the learning curve etc.

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Old 22nd October 2010, 03:45 PM   #21
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Good work. Keep it up.

Ignore all the egotistical fags in this thread.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 04:10 PM   #22
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Done.

Video was OK, but far too short and wasn't that valuable as far as learning Spy goes. They guy obviously had some skill, though.

I'll (reluctantly) add a piece on camping tele exits, but I don't usually stoop that low.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 05:02 PM   #23
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To do: add some colours and some more Saharan Spy stuff.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 05:09 PM   #24
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the video is of a competitive tf2 game between two top US teams which is why it's so incredible, in comp tf2 spies are rarely used since they're so risky because of their hit-or-miss nature so the fact that he managed to kill 5 out of 6 of the opposing team (all of which are some of the best players in the world) is awesome.

but yeah, just a cool frag clip rather than an instructional video, i think evildaedelus did a good spy instruction video on youtube i remember watching a few years back?
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Old 22nd October 2010, 09:40 PM   #25
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WingspanTT (Golden Wrench Charity) and the old OMFGNinja's are probably the best Spy guides out there.
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Old 23rd October 2010, 11:45 AM   #26
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"the Spy requires the most practice and experience of all the classes"

I dont agree with this but the rest of the guide was excellent :3
As previously said, videos or pictures could really lighten this up
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Old 23rd October 2010, 12:01 PM   #27
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Videos + pictures is what I am working on, but I'm trying to 1 man army here. If you want to contribute send in a demo of you playing Spy well, you'll be credited at the end.
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Old 24th October 2010, 02:20 PM   #28
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I'll go pro pub spy tonight and upload the usual 28 killstreak record.
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Old 24th October 2010, 02:26 PM   #29
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I better go opp team tonight and wreck rockys plans >
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Old 24th October 2010, 04:21 PM   #30
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Yeah I was shining my flamethrower as you said that dude
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Old 24th October 2010, 05:52 PM   #31
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huge expectations on you now rocky, looking forward to seeing your 28 kills in one life!!
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Old 24th October 2010, 07:42 PM   #32
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Bert laughs at all of you as he leans back in his leather padded lounger. Puny humans bragging about a measly 28 backstabs in one life. How quaint.
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i still remember being terrorized by bert and valharu in scrims haha
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Old 25th October 2010, 02:11 AM   #35
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That's no guide, that's a fucking novel on how to play pub
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Old 25th October 2010, 11:59 AM   #36
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Colours are here guys.

Hmmm, sounds like I need to shorten it down a bit...
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Old 25th October 2010, 03:33 PM   #37
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Heres some ugly shit I made before i discovered the joys of PLDX
The first 40 seconds are the most exciting.


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Old 25th October 2010, 03:46 PM   #38
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Nice 28 kill streak.

And of course...LOL Rocky records pubs.
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Old 25th October 2010, 04:06 PM   #39
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Fool, this was before my 28 streak claim.
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not enough revolver for my liking but some nice drop bear action there.
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